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> <channel><title>Comments on: Response To Charlene Li&#8217;s Analysis Of Bing&#8217;s Facebook Integration</title> <atom:link href="http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=charlene-li-response</link> <description>Adam Singer on digital marketing and online PR</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:40:24 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: Adam Singer</title><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/#comment-29889</link> <dc:creator>Adam Singer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://thefuturebuzz.com/?p=8341#comment-29889</guid> <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response Charlene and glad to continue this discussion.  We should revisit this topic in the future -- it will be interesting to see how the integration of search and social play out.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Charlene and glad to continue this discussion.  We should revisit this topic in the future &#8212; it will be interesting to see how the integration of search and social play out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Charlene Li</title><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/#comment-29888</link> <dc:creator>Charlene Li</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://thefuturebuzz.com/?p=8341#comment-29888</guid> <description><![CDATA[Adam: You make some excellent points. My short-ish post doesn&#039;t do justice to the complexity that underlies social search specifically and search in general -- which is why I link to Danny Sullivan&#039;s very detailed coverage.
The last section of my post is written in the context of three presumptions: 1) that the nature of search will change because of social connections; 2) that social is more than just Facebook, and also more than just your circle of friends; 3) social data is proprietary to specific sites, and thus requiring more information than what can be obtained by a search engine from the information on the page or from the user session and cookies.
So thank you for raising the very valid questions that need to be elucidated -- I&#039;m sure others who read my post have similar questions.
But one niggly point I&#039;d like to make. While Google enjoys tremendous loyalty and usage (me included) I can&#039;t help but notice the small but significant incursions Bing has been making, especially in crucial &quot;decision&quot; areas like shopping, travel, and local. According to Compete.com and Hitwise, Bing powers 24-26% of search in the US (including Yahoo), which is far from &quot;tiny&quot;. Google&#039;s  market share in 2002? It was 29%, albeit, against similarly sized competitors.
Social search is far from a knock out blow to Google, and I have the utmost respect for the folks there behind the social search effort, especially Bradley Horowitz. But their lack of leadership in this space is significant by its absence.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam: You make some excellent points. My short-ish post doesn&#8217;t do justice to the complexity that underlies social search specifically and search in general &#8212; which is why I link to Danny Sullivan&#8217;s very detailed coverage.</p><p>The last section of my post is written in the context of three presumptions: 1) that the nature of search will change because of social connections; 2) that social is more than just Facebook, and also more than just your circle of friends; 3) social data is proprietary to specific sites, and thus requiring more information than what can be obtained by a search engine from the information on the page or from the user session and cookies.</p><p>So thank you for raising the very valid questions that need to be elucidated &#8212; I&#8217;m sure others who read my post have similar questions.</p><p>But one niggly point I&#8217;d like to make. While Google enjoys tremendous loyalty and usage (me included) I can&#8217;t help but notice the small but significant incursions Bing has been making, especially in crucial &#8220;decision&#8221; areas like shopping, travel, and local. According to Compete.com and Hitwise, Bing powers 24-26% of search in the US (including Yahoo), which is far from &#8220;tiny&#8221;. Google&#8217;s  market share in 2002? It was 29%, albeit, against similarly sized competitors.</p><p>Social search is far from a knock out blow to Google, and I have the utmost respect for the folks there behind the social search effort, especially Bradley Horowitz. But their lack of leadership in this space is significant by its absence.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Catherine Lockey</title><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/#comment-29887</link> <dc:creator>Catherine Lockey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://thefuturebuzz.com/?p=8341#comment-29887</guid> <description><![CDATA[I always learn so much from you Adam. Thanks for posting the video link which shares most people don&#039;t know what a browser is reminding the rest of us terms like search engine and browser are jargon.  I think every digital marketer should meditate for 10 minutes on that truth.
Right now, FB&#039;s like button is showing up everywhere and Bing&#039;s use of this signal sounds big until you point out Google already measures over 200 signals in their algorithm.  On the other hand, large ecommerce sites rely on FB and Twitter social stream tracking software PLUS most people don&#039;t know what an algorithm is so appears Bing is doing smart marketing here.
I agree, useful, relevant, compelling content is a search engine favorite which continues to become more valuable over time.   I&#039;m definitely clicking the &quot;like&quot; button on this post.   :)]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always learn so much from you Adam. Thanks for posting the video link which shares most people don&#8217;t know what a browser is reminding the rest of us terms like search engine and browser are jargon.  I think every digital marketer should meditate for 10 minutes on that truth.</p><p>Right now, FB&#8217;s like button is showing up everywhere and Bing&#8217;s use of this signal sounds big until you point out Google already measures over 200 signals in their algorithm.  On the other hand, large ecommerce sites rely on FB and Twitter social stream tracking software PLUS most people don&#8217;t know what an algorithm is so appears Bing is doing smart marketing here.</p><p>I agree, useful, relevant, compelling content is a search engine favorite which continues to become more valuable over time.   I&#8217;m definitely clicking the &#8220;like&#8221; button on this post.   :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dennis D. McDonald</title><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/#comment-29886</link> <dc:creator>Dennis D. McDonald</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:42:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://thefuturebuzz.com/?p=8341#comment-29886</guid> <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Mark. The &quot;weak ties&quot; distinction is critical here -- whether or not you really share interests with your &quot;friends&quot; may or may not be relevant to the search at hand.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Mark. The &#8220;weak ties&#8221; distinction is critical here &#8212; whether or not you really share interests with your &#8220;friends&#8221; may or may not be relevant to the search at hand.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Dykeman</title><link>http://thefuturebuzz.com/2010/10/19/charlene-li-response/#comment-29884</link> <dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:53:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://thefuturebuzz.com/?p=8341#comment-29884</guid> <description><![CDATA[Very informative Adam, especially when I looked at both Danny&#039;s and Charlene&#039;s posts as well.
One concern that I would have in all of this, though, is that Facebook Friends are increasingly being altered by the addition of weak ties into the Facebook Friending process.  I&#039;m sure that many, many people really do limit their Friends to real friends, family and colleagues - people they&#039;ve met in person.  Other people, including you and I, have a number of weak ties in our Facebook social graph and a large portion of these could be people we&#039;ve never met in person.
This can be a good or a bad thing.  It could be good because you&#039;re probably very likely to share at least one common interest with a weak tie and it may be the type of thing that you don&#039;t have in common with the people that you interact with in person.  These weak ties could actually be excellent signals to cut through the noise on specific topics.
But then there&#039;s the trust factor.  How much do you really know, respect and trust someone you&#039;ve never met before?
Exactly.  It depends.  And that same logic applies to the people you know as well.
Just because I see my best friend&#039;s Like of something, there&#039;s a number of heuristics that I go through in my mind to determine whether or not I will follow their lead.
After all, we&#039;re not robots, nor are we lemmings.  Some people will blindly follow other people.  Other people, not so much.
I think Danny&#039;s take on it seems pretty level headed:  baby steps.  May have lots of potential.  Watch with interest.  The field is still pretty open.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative Adam, especially when I looked at both Danny&#8217;s and Charlene&#8217;s posts as well.</p><p>One concern that I would have in all of this, though, is that Facebook Friends are increasingly being altered by the addition of weak ties into the Facebook Friending process.  I&#8217;m sure that many, many people really do limit their Friends to real friends, family and colleagues &#8211; people they&#8217;ve met in person.  Other people, including you and I, have a number of weak ties in our Facebook social graph and a large portion of these could be people we&#8217;ve never met in person.</p><p>This can be a good or a bad thing.  It could be good because you&#8217;re probably very likely to share at least one common interest with a weak tie and it may be the type of thing that you don&#8217;t have in common with the people that you interact with in person.  These weak ties could actually be excellent signals to cut through the noise on specific topics.</p><p>But then there&#8217;s the trust factor.  How much do you really know, respect and trust someone you&#8217;ve never met before?</p><p>Exactly.  It depends.  And that same logic applies to the people you know as well.</p><p>Just because I see my best friend&#8217;s Like of something, there&#8217;s a number of heuristics that I go through in my mind to determine whether or not I will follow their lead.</p><p>After all, we&#8217;re not robots, nor are we lemmings.  Some people will blindly follow other people.  Other people, not so much.</p><p>I think Danny&#8217;s take on it seems pretty level headed:  baby steps.  May have lots of potential.  Watch with interest.  The field is still pretty open.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>