Don’t Make Excuses For Your Generation, Take Personal Accountability
I’ve previously shared Gen Y observations from a personal perspective as someone part of the generation. Continuing this dialog, a recent article by Rebekah Monson caught my eye sharing her observations on Gen Y. It reacted to the recent long-winded NY Times and Slate articles on 20-somethings.
They’re sort of worth reading if you have some time. Although to be honest, aside from hearing about people struggling to make it, I’m not sure what the NY Times proves. Why focus on those coddled into a life of average instead of sharing success stories from those winning?
Anyway, I’d like to react to some of Rebekah’s points because I think she takes the wrong attitude (and is certainly not alone in that regard):
You must understand that we are not starting out with a positive attitude. In our short careers, we already have been laid off or at least afraid that we would be laid off. We have seen our parents downsized and left high and dry by companies that they helped to build. We have been unable to get work after doing “the right things” that we were told would make us successful — school, internships, volunteer work, mentorship, etc. We have gone into high-demand fields like IT only to see those jobs outsourced overseas for pennies on the dollar.
Rebekah starts here piece by making excuses for our generation. And I don’t think excuses help anyone.
- If you don’t have a positive attitude that’s a personal problem. Attitude matters and affects performance – if you don’t have a positive one you’re obviously in the wrong field or wrong situation. No one reading this has an excuse not to have a positive attitude, you could have things a lot worse.
- If you’ve been laid off or afraid you’re going to be laid off this is your own fault. If you build career security, not job security you don’t need to be worried about this. Remember, fear only succeeds in destroying creative work.
- If your parents have been downsized and left high and dry by companies they helped build, I’m sorry – but I’d still say you’re lucky. At least you have two parents – many of us don’t.
- If you have “done all the right things” that you were “told would make you successful” that’s not the best approach. Following a path everyone else does is going to make you that much less relevant as you’re merely a clone of others and easily replaceable – you should be more like Jack Bauer instead.
- If your job has been outsourced, you aren’t staying at the edge of your industry. If you chose to do something low-level enough there is a path to automation or outsourcing of course you’re going to lose your job. That’s sort of how the business world works.
Instead of making excuses or harping on perceived problems – I’d challenge Rebekah to offer solutions.
The corporate leadership in this country has made it clear to us that no one in our generation is getting a gold watch. We don’t have any delusions about that. Hell, many of us can’t even get insurance or make a living wage now, and no one sees it getting any better. Why would we make a job anything close to a top priority in our lives, when we can have no realistic expectation of having a long-term career to begin with?
I’ll pose this question to readers from any generation: has leadership — at any point in history — handed out “gold watches” to just anyone? Further, if you can’t make a living in modern society what is complaining about it going to do? I’d argue if you can’t find a job you’re not trying hard enough or taking the right approach. Wake up Gen Y, it takes work, and if you can’t do it you have no one to blame but yourself. Smart companies always have valued young, driven, creative and entrepreneurial types. If you’re not perceived in this light you’re doing something wrong and not positioning yourself properly. Take advantage of your age.
The second point — “having no realistic expectation of a long term career” — is bogus. Too many people are successfully doing this to complain it’s not possible.
No one I know in Gen Y (or Gen X for that matter) has any faith whatsoever that any employer will ever give a crap about them as human beings. We accept that we are numbers on a spreadsheet in the current corporate landscape, but we don’t have to like it. We check off your boxes, and we accomplish the goals you lay out. We play nice.
Welcome to the real world. But not all companies are like this. Here you have 3 options – find a company that will treat you well, work for a company that treats you as a number, so long as you’re still winning in the relationship, or start your own thing. Also, if all you do is “check off boxes” and “accomplish goals others lay out” you deserve to be laid off. If that’s what you do you’re easily dispensable. I wouldn’t want you on my team, I want creative thinkers who are unafraid to tell it like it is. People who passively play nice but in reality hate what they’re doing should quit their job anyway, they will never contribute to a team in a way an inspired, driven individual will.
Many of us live at home to help our parents as they struggle with their own low wages and financial trauma. We have no idea how we will ever afford a family or a house or anything on our own when we cannot attain jobs with basic benefits and full-time wages.
Again, welcome to the real world. If you can’t attain a job with basic benefits or full-time wages, please explain to me how that isn’t being a part of workforce Darwinism. I still think anyone in this position isn’t trying hard enough. I had plenty of friends who grew up in situations without much financial stability or education that have become huge successes: it comes down to motivation and overall drive to succeed.
We have a lot to be excited about, but less and less of that exists within the current corporate structure. We communicate constantly. We love to collaborate. We are data junkies. Many of us are imbued with entrepreneurial spirit. We strike out. We tinker. We play. None of this is particularly valued in the current corporate environment. But, we value it in ourselves and in each other. We have interesting side projects. (And, we keep them from you so that you won’t fire us.)
If your corporate structure doesn’t provide inspiration and excitement, get out. Seriously, why operate in such environments? There are choices if you have built the necessarily networks and know how to market yourself. Everyone can learn to do that. Further, “tinkering and playing” is fine, and your company will value it so long as you make a case for it. If you’re just messing around without reason no one is going to value that. Also, if you have interesting side projects you are keeping from your employer — you’re not very smart. Your employer will find out. Before you start a job with anyone, tell them clearly what you do and what you plan to do in the future. If they don’t support it — don’t work for that company, simple. You shouldn’t have to hide things so people won’t fire you.
So, we work, and we wait. We are working and waiting for our side projects to become our main projects. We are working and waiting for the right kinds of relationships to solidify in our personal and professional lives. We are working and waiting for you to retire so that there are funds and jobs available into which we can “grow up.” We are working and waiting for a chance to change the establishment to reflect our values.
If you are simply “working and waiting” you don’t understand the difference between living life and not. Your time is ticking away and you’re squandering it. If you have a side project you want to be your main project, you need a roadmap to bring it to reality. “Working and waiting” is silly and without some sort of path to get there you’ll never achieve it. Funds and jobs available? Please, they are available right now to those brave enough to ask for them. A chance to change the establishment? Real change is a gradual process which happens bit by bit – if you want to change something, chip at it daily instead of waiting for some dramatic gesture that will be fast forgotten. Those who act today, and act consistently will make change. If you’re waiting you don’t deserve to achieve results.
Every generation goes through its turn in the news cycle. And, every generation thinks they’ll do it better.
Obviously this isn’t going to change anytime soon. “Hoping” your generation will do better in the news cycle seems like a pretty big waste of time. Instead of lamenting the inevitable generational bashing (which, by the way, ignores the law of averages – most generations when analyzed at the macro level don’t look good) perhaps focus on developing your own strategy about life and putting it into action. Almost no one does this, yet it’s devastatingly effective for that exact reason.
Seems like the author of this article is making excuses, only reinforcing negative stereotypes about Gen Y. The truth is it doesn’t matter what generation you are a part of, it matters if you want to live a remarkable life. Either do so, or don’t, but realize your own success is independent of how others of like demographics act. Besides, looking at the world through the lens of demographics is becoming far less meaningful. Psychographics is fast replacing them.









John Proffitt replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Adam, your writing has been interesting and at times enlightening, which is why it’s been in my RSS reader for perhaps a year. But this post does not speak well of you. Indeed, it reveals your inexperience with life and the real world.
Yes, the article you point to has its flaws, and yes, there are things Gen Y folks need to know about the working world we find out there today. I’m not pleased with the tone of the source article. But you’ve gone way, waaay too negative here. You’re a half-step away from calling the author of the piece you criticize a whiny bitch. At least that would have been a shorter post.
I’m all for people picking themselves up by their bootstraps and taking responsibility and charging boldly into a new world with zeal. But comments like “If your job has been outsourced, I also feel no sympathy for you” are not encouraging one bit. Indeed, they’re condescending, and they sound as if they’ve been spoken by someone that hasn’t had the pleasure of being fired or laid off or outsourced. There are plenty of situations where being ready for the next thing won’t prepare you for these events.
Moreover, there are very good reasons jobs like manufacturing of basic durable goods and other services should remain right here in the U.S., despite the possibility of outsourcing in a global system.
Allow me to answer one of your rhetorical questions: “…has leadership — at any point in history — handed out “gold watches” to just anyone?” Yes. Yes they have. Reach 30 years of employment with your firm and you got not only a gold watch but a pension — not a 401(k), a freakin’ pension! That doesn’t happen anymore, but that was the norm up until the 1970s or 1980s, depending on your employer. Cradle-to-grave employment and support was expected in lots of professional and manufacturing fields. It made America stable and productive for a long time, especially following WWII.
Your next task, and I say this with love and with experience: Get fired, get outsourced, get laid off. Lose your health benefits. Move in with family. See how that feels. Find another job. Then try writing this piece again. You’ll have a radical new perspective on how the working world works — or doesn’t — for millions of people across the country.
We all should strive to change this, to cast off the Boomer ways of business that have strangled the human spirit over the last 75 years, and especially the last 20. We need new ways of working and we need to embrace the creativity and energy you promote. But most of all we need to retain our humanity, our empathy, for people that perhaps haven’t gotten the same breaks we’ve gotten.
Adam Singer replied | Sep 13, 2010 (563 comments)
Sorry if this felt negative to you John, it wasn’t meant to be that way.
As for the rest of your points — I disagree with your comments, especially that you say I lack experience. Just FYI, I am experienced as both:
a) Someone who built their own reputation to get hired by an A-list firm
b) Someone who has recruited and hired others across age groups
I stand by my points on this, it is more than possible to build personal leverage in the world and create an advantage by developing your own brand and learning to market yourself. Read Seth Godin’s latest book, Linchpin for another perspective on this: http://www.amazon.com/Linchpin-Are-Indispensable-Seth-Godin/dp/1591843162
The world has changed and the web affords quite a bit to dedicated professionals willing to put in the work to position themselves a notch above the rest. Ignore that at your own risk.
In terms of the outsourcing thing, remember, this blog is about Marketing/PR. I can only speak for this industry – but if you can’t see what’s able to be outsourced/automated here, you’re not paying attention.
Final thought – my voice is usually the same on criticism – I’m sorry this one struck you wrong but it’s not really different from much of the content I create here.
Appreciate your comments — part of blogging is that my reader base SHOULD disagree — so please, feel free to always do that!
Cheers and thanks for being a reader.
Adam
@mattceni replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Adam – you could have stopped at: “it comes down to motivation and overall drive to succeed.”
That recipe for success spans all generations. Motivation and drive coupled with urgency, is how America was built. it’s how the corporate America I know is run. It’s how my dad made himself and it’s how I continue to work.
Great piece and enjoyed how you broke each train of thought down.
MC
Dave Malone replied | Sep 13, 2010 (11 comments)
I have to argue vehemently on the point that you make about outsourcing. I develop software. What I do is part art form, part science, and something I’m extremely passionate about. I feel I’m much better at doing what I do than those who do it for “pennies on the dollar” overseas. As a matter of fact, I know I’m better. I’ve seen the work they produce (at the source code and user-interface level), worked with offshore teams, and recognize that they lack the business sense and communication skills that make me more valuable to a business. I can take a high-level idea, conceptualize it, prototype it, work with the business to refine it, and deliver it without much direction at all, and what I deliver is high quality, on time, and under-budget. To get the most out of an off-shore team, you have to write elaborate requirements documents, lay out every little bit of detail that you want them to cover in their software design, and even then you probably won’t get what you want the first time because of their soft skills deficiencies.
Additionally, it’s not my fault that businesses and shareholders are interested in saving money short term on software development. They are either misinformed or ill-advised, and should begin to listen to the professionals they place their trust in for building themselves as a successful and competitive business. IT done right makes a world of a difference in the marketplace, as I know you know very well, Adam. Saving $1 today will cost you $10 tomorrow, I promise. Long term, off shoring ends up costing companies 3-4 times the initial investment (sometimes much, much higher), and they have to bring in the high paid experts, like myself, to straighten out the mess that could have done things the right way the first time.
Adam Singer replied | Sep 13, 2010 (563 comments)
All good points Dave. I really can only speak for the marketing/communications industry. You’re right, it’s not the same everywhere. The writer of the post I responded to *is* in the communications industry, however, so I felt it a pertinent response and accurate within the frame of what this site is about.
Tony replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Dave,
I think if you really believe the shortcuts they are taking today will cost more in the future then you should stand up and point that out. Companies shouldn’t be paying their leaders top dollar to lead their companies to failure. If they are, they are not doing right by their shareholders and are thus not doing their job.
If what you say in your first paragraph is true, go out there and market yourself that way. Convince people you are worth more in the long run than the savings they get in the short run.
I definitely believe there are some cases where off shoring will lead to an increase in long term costs but I also think that it can save in long term costs – manufacturing for example.
Lots of companies would pay for the insight you claim to have in your industry. Go out there and do it.
All the best,
ABD
Dave Malone replied | Sep 14, 2010 (11 comments)
Tony,
I do market myself that way today. I’m a consultant, so companies outsource their work to me. The difference is, I’m working hard to keep the job from going overseas. Every time I hear of a company or a client of mine talking about off-shoring, I always speak up. The problem is I may not have the right tenacity for the job (convincing organizations not to offshore), and I also lack the tenure to convince anyone of significant importance (I’ve been doing this for 7 year now). But I’m getting close, and I’m noticing that people are actually starting to listen to me and take me seriously. I think I would have to do a case study to prove my point, and I’m not really sure how I could go about doing that – I’d have to have some way to compare apples to apples. The only thing I can argue now is that with my training and experience, I am able to recognize bad/poor code, and improve it. Thanks for the response and your insights.
B Wilson replied | Sep 13, 2010 (2 comments)
Despite your post sounding a bit rant-y, I completely agree on all point. For full disclosure, I’m Gen Y. We need to stop looking at our parents’ careers and asking “When will it be like that again?” It won’t. I have no expectation to be a 30-year employee someday. However, I have every expectation that I will have a 50-year career. In this economy, I successfully obtained a full time job with an extremely well-know gaming company. I didn’t do this by “working and waiting.” And if I’m still at this extremely well-known gaming company in 10 years, I’ll be surprised and maybe a little worried. A few of us in Gen Y get this–the rest need to wake up.
philip andrew replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Being fired, outsourced jobs, etc, is not a good thing and you should not be happy.
Running around with a smile on your face because your job is gone doesn’t make sense, you should be annoyed, thats human.
Anon replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
One thing I think most Americans miss is simply this: If your jobs are being outsourced, etc. etc… then maybe you should prepare yourself to move where there ARE more opportunities. Most likely outside of the country. “But I don’t want to leave my (family/house/car/pet/etc.)” Yeah? Too bad. Globalization means that you need to be prepared to go global yourself and tying yourself down with a car payment, a house and all the other things that traditionally were considered the minimum is now a luxury. The past couple of generations auctioned off our future so they could be more comfortable without spending on what was really important, and now we’re going to have to pay for it. Whining about isn’t going to change anything, you have to adapt and see where you fit in with the new status quo. And if you’ve never been outside of the country, your options are going to be more and more limited. If you’re too scared to move outside of your comfort zone and take the occasion, well-planned risk, you’re going to become a second-class citizen, and nothing any politician, your parents or anyone else is going to change that. No one else can manage your future for you.
Lily replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Adam, I do not agree with your sentiment that everyone who has been laid off had it coming. Companies are tightening the purse string more than they would want to. “A” and even “A+” employees are being let go.
While your article has several merits, I find the tone to be overly negative with too much blame being cast.
I’m 24, recently graduated, and incredibly grateful to have a wonderful job that lets me build upon my schooling. My peers that are still holding onto their part-time retail jobs do not deserve your criticism. We are all part of the lucky group of employed persons.
J Deitch replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Harsh words from a man who has apparently never felt any empathy for anyone who was slightly upset about their future in a dismal economy.
I graduated from university 2 years ago with a degree in biology (a supposedly useful “hard science”) to find that the job market for science grads was a) extremely limited with about 50-100 applicants per position and b) very low paying with many entry level positions paying barely above minimum wage (I made more money selling kitschy souvenirs to tourists in high school) without long-term career-development opportunities. Long story short, I gave up looking and started freelance editing and make a ton of money — ironically with an Indian company. I think I’m doing pretty well compared to my peers.
The fact is things are different its particularly tough being a part of gen-Y. Examine the youth unemployment rate and see how it is way higher than for people older than 30. Did you just read how student loan debt has just exceeded credit card debt?
We’re constantly told by our elders about all the great things they got, and how we’re lazy and ungrateful for expecting the same. I also find it funny how these are same people who scream or strike when the government or company decides to cut said benefits. You say we’re ingrates; we say you’re feel entitled.
The fact is, we are working harder for less in general. You might as well be saying that people who don’t earn as much as you are all lazy.
I don’t make excuses for myself or my generation, but there are simply certain unchangeable factors we have to deal with. Empathy for your fellow humanity please!
Bryan replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
While I generally avoid posting comments on many articles I read, I feel moved to write (briefly as you see).
You nailed it. You re obviously successful, and I am proud to say I am as well (not to toot my own horn, but, beep-beep). Nothing was handed to me (other than a good home life, with two relatively successful parents), yet I have some how been able to not only beat “the man”, but more recently find myself being “the man”. I believe, as do you, that whining and blaming have become the only commodities our generation has contributed. This is not to say that I am without my faults (i realize the picture I’ve painted of myself is quite rosey), but I believe that my ability to recognize my short-comings (spelling as you can probably see), coupled with a drive to succeed, is what makes me successful.
I offer no advice, only this… Look inward first, look outward last.
Derek replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
I’m a Gen-Y, and I accepted long ago that life was going to be much tougher than previous generations. I don’t make excuses for it, I just make things happen. It’s all you can do. If someone really wants to get into why it’s tougher, I’d bow out of the debate. They’re all excuses. At the end of the day, the end goal is to make a living, regardless of what it was like thirty or more years ago.
Random reader replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Being a Gen Y/X/whatever label, I take a bit of offense at this post. I believe it shows an utter lack of experience in the real world, and definitely makes it come off as if you’ve been handed everything on a golden plate, while chastising those who actually have had to go through menial entry level positions to climb the ranks.
Personally, I attend a rather prestigious IT school that requires we have at least 3 quarters of co-op (as in, full time, actual pay, not an internship) experience before we’re allowed to graduate. As such, I see both the difficulty amongst my peers and myself in finding any work. There are plenty of opportunities made available to us, ranging from private co-op opportunities only offered to our school and seminars given from just about every company you can think of, but the fact is that when it comes down to the issue of “rent is due, and food is nice”, I constantly see more and more of my peers relying on either increased loans or having to settle for a minimum wage position at a local place (and extremely lucky if it is even vaguely related to their career, as opposed to a Walmart cashier). Even our school’s Co-op office has put out statistics that there are anywhere from 200-1000 applications for a posting depending on which fields are targeted.
As for some of your talking points; I’m sure you have had some experience with at least basic business courses and know the failure rate of start up companies and how few actually turn even a 5 year profit if they do survive that long. I believe Google ran in the red for their first 9, but don’t quote me there as it may very well have been another company. Additionally, I’m sure you’ve heard the figures on job cuts within the past several years, as well as the unemployment rate. Most companies are not looking to hirer anyone, so as optimistic as your suggestions of “leaving for greener pastures” may be, we’re more than willing to let you generate a list of where these pastures are.
It’s a recession. New jobs are not being created. Companies are looking to lower costs. Competition is higher. Next time, imagine looking at it from the standpoint of “limited resources”, or even as an ecosystem with an over-population problem. Don’t get me wrong, I believe you make a valid argument, but your view seems to completely dismiss the reality that actually is the current job environment. Perhaps some research and looking into figures would have been a good idea before attempting to discredit the issues our generation is facing.
Victor Z replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Adam,
While you do make some relevant points I think you miss the struggles of entry level work than most college grads face. I can only speak on the entertainment industry, but companies know you need them more than you they do you, so they use this to screw you. Like many other students, I’ve had to take an entry level position that pays only $10/h and has no benefits at all. If you have any qualms with this they simply push you away and pull the next resume off the table. Internships are alarmingly even becoming a post graduation norm. Its difficult to find a company who will utilize you to your full potential right off the bat.
It is also arrogant of you to look down on people who did “all the right things”. Working hard to become excellent at your craft is certainly the “right thing” and if you are finding success because of your “personal brand”, and nothing more solid you might find yourself quickly irrelevant.
People my age who are just getting out of school are doing so at one of the worst times possible, it is not an excuse, it is a fact. We face struggles to move forward and it can be very frustrating at times. Especially for the kind of person who values stability. Perhaps you should take a step back from gloating about how great you are and appreciate the struggles others face.
John replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
I read your post and it does come off a bit ranty. I’m also a Gen-Yer and was fortunate enough to get a job right when the shit hit the fan in 2008. But I see plenty who weren’t lucky enough who graduated with me, or since then. Yes, there are jobs available, but they are being fought for vehemently. And with the old, more skilled technical folks being laid off, they’re prime candidates for these type of positions, forcing recent grads to keep looking. I fail to see how this is their fault.
Additionally, there is the other case for those who have gone to school and are not being so lucky, not because of the competition, but because they got a bs degree. I’m sorry, but there are plenty of degrees that really aren’t necessary for a job in their field. Instead, people get them because so much pressure is put on Gen-Yers to graduate high school and then go to college and get a degree. In my area, it was expected and I have a feeling I’m not the only one. And now this unnecessary education is putting even further burden on an entire generation who cannot get jobs.
With that said, this is how I feel and you have every right to disagree. But after reading the other comments and your responses, I would make clear in your original post that all of your tough love for the Gen-yers are for those in the marketing/communications industry, because it’s not the same in the other ones.
Adam replied | Sep 13, 2010 (1 comment)
Saw this pop up on Digg. Interesting article. Both your points, Adam, and Rebeka’s have merit. She’s obviously frustrated with things. You…you’re frustrated for different reasons. There is a vast difference in view points. But, somewhere in the middle is about where things actually are.
Yes, the job market is tough. Yes, if you have the ambition and skills, you can usually make something work. But, a lot of it is luck–being at the right place at the right time.
It also depends on where you live. Some areas are thriving–some are hurting. Some people can afford to uproot their lives to move to more thriving areas. Some can’t.
I’m a Gen Y-er. I’m also a fairly skilled tech guy. For me, the doors don’t stay closed too long, but I have had to hunt around very hard more than once because of the bumpy economy. It’s not 100% unwarranted whining. Lesser skilled individuals have an even rougher time of it. After all, there’s only so many positions available. Businesses aren’t charities, and they only hire for what they need or find useful.
While my parents expected to be with a company for 20, 30, and even 40 years, I can’t see that happening again in my lifetime. It’s just the nature of the changing times.
I wonder, though, what’s going to happen when I start approaching retirement age. While I’m flexible and energetic and quick on the ball in my 20s, what happens in my 50s and 60s? Won’t I be replaced by the new incoming 20-somethings? I’m not seeing the company loyalty any more where long-time employees are valued. I’m seeing high turnover rates in favor of young, cheap labor.
So yes, both sides have merit.
Bpham replied | Sep 14, 2010 (1 comment)
Singer,
I came across this article on Digg, which is great that you landed first page and definitely know your SEO and content writing.
Prior to starting such a heated debate, I implore you to look at the factual numbers, rather than your intuition which was formed from your personal experience.
If I may ask you, when did you graduate? 2005?
It isn’t exactly 09/10. You had a chance to get your foot in the door before the economy started shitting on people. Truth be told, 37.5% of recent grads won’t have a damned job and there won’t be enough unpaid internships to float around. I know a kid from Harvard (biz econ) working at A&F whom after 2 years finally got a job elsewhere. I know another kid from private college who majored in chemical engineering, to only be told that he’s not skilled enough in the workforce.
About Gen Y
I agree a ton of them do bankroll off their parents; there are kids who get their master’s and expect great jobs (self entitlement). But the truth of the matter is that there are a ton of OTHER hardworking, hungry, desperate kids without that luxury and are kicked over and spat on. I myself after graduation, aggressively worked at a vet clinic picking up dog shit and later did a 3 month unpaid internship in addition to doing freelance unrelated to my studies. I’ve been homeless, carrying my suitcase traveling from workshops to seminars because some of us are that damn hungry and unfortunate. Despite conviction and commitment to my work, some people are still forced to eat the humble pie.
So when this generation was told to go to college, commit tons of money, effort, time and other sacrifices into a field and finally graduate only to be dished out months later by an economic depression – you’re only telling them to think smarter and fight harder. They’re confused, and I think rather than shunning them out, you ought to devote some time towards leading them altruistically rather than have them fret. Morally, that makes sense right?
Rebekah replied | Sep 14, 2010 (2 comments)
Hi Adam,
I am really interested in your response, and I appreciate you taking the time to read and react to the post. You have a lot right about our generation, but you’ve mistaken my point. I am frustrated with the perception that our generation is lazy or not “growing up.” I think that stance ignores the fact that twentysomethings have become adults under some difficult circumstances. I don’t see our generation as lazy at all, I see us as breaking away from outdated models with our own ideas and working to create new opportunities despite a rotten economy and a bankrupt system. I see us toiling away to make something new, even as we have to do a day job to keep the bills paid. There is no excuse for not working hard, and I think most of our peers are doing just that.
You leap to a lot of bogus personal assumptions about me and my career that are way, way off-base. I’ve been fortunate to have been continuously employed and regularly promoted since 2003. (So, see, I benefited enormously from the timing of my graduation.) My company values me enough to give me awards, bonuses and promotions, and I have earned awards from my industry too. I own a home and a car, I’m in a healthy relationship and I care for two dogs and a cat. I don’t have student loan or credit card debt, and I am able regularly give time and money to causes I care about. (By the way, my dad died when I was 19, so you might want to lay off sniping about that sort of deeply personal thing in the future.) I have a GREAT life, and while I have worked hard for it, I recognize that I also have been incredibly lucky. If nothing else, things happened at the right time for me (and for you too, it seems), whereas my youngest brother, a recent tech grad, is still hustling to get his foot in the door. In fact, I am surrounded by equally talented, driven friends and family struggling to succeed in a broken economy. So, I wrote about it.
You should also know that my blog is a decidedly personal endeavor. I write mostly about my love of sports and music and gardening, and, yes, a little about my work too. Frankly, I’m just not really that into “marketing myself” or my “personal brand,” despite your and every other internet marketing guru’s claims that it’s the only path to success. I’m into being myself and doing things I believe in, and that’s worked out just fine for me thus far. Somehow this post exploded into something much, much bigger, and it’s because a lot of people identified with what I wrote. At the very least, that one little post gave you and a bunch of other people something to think and write about too. I am grateful for that discussion.
So, if you’re ever in South Florida (and, trust me, the economy is a lot tougher here than in Minneapolis), I’d love to buy you a coffee. I think an actual dialog about these issues would be pretty interesting, and you might find that I’m not nearly as whiny as you think I am. Meanwhile, I’ve added your blog to my RSS reader, and I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on Gen Y.
Adam Singer replied | Sep 14, 2010 (563 comments)
Fair points Rebekah, appreciate your comments and apologies if I came off as abrasive. I’m sorry about your father dying at 19. My passed on at 13 so I understand how that feels. I am in Florida frequently (FYI, that’s where my family is) – well aware of the situation there. Coffee next time I’m in town sounds good.
Cheers and thanks for the comment.
Adam
Rebekah replied | Sep 14, 2010 (2 comments)
Excellent! See you in the sunshine state!
Lee Mcknight Jr replied | Sep 23, 2010 (1 comment)
My first time on your blog Adam-fantastic post here. After graduating law school (mistake #1) and deciding I wanted nothing to with the profession (best choice I ever made) i got a job in what would be the heady final days of the dot com boom with my first “real” job. 8 months later, the bubble burst and we were all laid off. I hadn’t been married for a year and had a whole lot of law school debt. While I busted my hump to bring in money, I fully admit, we were very lucky to have parents help out where they could, but it was still very much on us. This was 2001, so yes, a different world than today, but not so different, or far enough in the past, to have your post bring it all back.